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“But for this program (Pegasus), this doesn’t mean anything,” she added. While newer phones are more difficult for spyware to hack, to Pegasus, “it doesn't matter if your phone is old or new,” noted Bill Marczak, a senior research fellow at Citizen Lab, a cybersecurity research project at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy that previously has investigated Pegasus spyware.